I’m gonna depress the hell out of all of you. ready? ok go
so, that “stop devaluing feminized work post”
nice idea and all
but the thing is, as soon as a decent number of women enter any field, it becomes “feminized,” and it becomes devalued.
as women enter a field in greater number, people become less willing to pay for it, the respect for it drops, and it’s seen as less of a big deal. it’s not about the job- it’s about the number of women in the job.
observe what happened with biology. it’s STEM, sure, but anyone in a male-dominated science will sneer at the idea of it being ‘for real,’ nevermind that everyone sure took it more seriously when it was a male dominated field. so has happened with scores of other areas; nursing comes to mind
so the thing is, it’s not the work or the job that has to be uplifted and seen as more respectable. it will never work out, until people start seeing women as respectable
but there’s a doozy and who the fuck knows if it’s ever happening in my life time
"observe what happened with biology. it’s STEM, sure, but anyone in a male-dominated science will sneer at the idea of it being ‘for real,’ nevermind that everyone sure took it more seriously when it was a male dominated field."
Personal anecdote time! I’m in a biology graduate program. An acquaintance wanted to introduce some guy to me because his son was thinking about becoming an undergrad science major. When he found out I was in the biology department, he grinned and said, “Well, I guess that’s kind of related to science.”
I gave him what I hope was an icy look and said, “Isn’t it strange how men outside the field started saying that right around the time biology majors shifted from mostly male to mostly female?”
The guy got this look on his face like he was about to play the “just a joke” card, and then an older woman who had been standing nearby, talking to someone else, turned to me and said, “The same thing happened with real estate.” She went on to explain that, over the course of the career, the male-to-female ratio among real estate agents had dropped, and the pay and “prestige factor” of that job dropped along with it.
I’m sorry I try to read and not comment on interesting posts like this but I am so confused.
Can someone explain to me what sort of mental gymnastics had to happen to push biology out of the science field? BIOLOGY?? I just. Isn’t that like. Science? It’s a science? Biology = science???? I can’t. I don’t know how else to think of biology other than science, and now we got misogynists finding all sorts of completely ridiculous ways to say it’s not science because the wimmens are finally allowed to freely and openly pursue the field without the risk of men stealing their work?? This level of absolute propaganda actually worked??????
??? what ???????
You know, by that logic, medicine is also not a science.
Exactly, right? Okay so I guess neurosurgeons are just historians with lasers. LOL which makes them complete losers, amirite.
I think it’s also a (gender-linked) variant of this attitude (xkcd comic) that allows biology to be pushed aside. (ps I love that the mathematician in that comic is coded as female, as it’s almost subversive to the above attitude.) Although I will say I was always confused as to why Engineering (applied physics?) isn’t on that spectrum. Wow tangent.
Ahahahaha medicine? See that post on doctors in Russia
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Anonymous said: I just wanted to ask if you have any thoughts on what I should put down for my salary requirement for a part time project coordinator job at a networking/cabling firm. I will be be interviewing for the job and they want my requirements before the interview. I could not find an answer searching online and you seem to have quite a bit of knowledge in this area.
Oh bb, I wish, but that is outside of my industry and experience. I haven’t had a part-time job since high school, and that was in a coffee shop.
If you can, I would simply say “salary requirements: negotiable”. That at least gives you time to do more research. Have a look at full time project coordinator/manager positions, and work out what portion of that you’d make at 20 hours/week, 30 hours/week, etc. Or tell them that you’re more comfortable discussing that once you know what their salary window is ($20K-$50K, $7K-$20K, whatever). If you know their lower and upper limits you can place yourself inside them based on experience.
Sorry, salary requirements really aren’t my area of expertise. They’re far too variable based on industry and region.
It’s in mine!
1- go to the BLS national salary survey http://www.bls.gov/NCS
2 - find your job title, you’ll find your NATIONAL average salary
3- go to the consumer price index calculator http://www.bls.gov/cpi/
4- figure out if your region is at, above or below national prices. here’s how: divide your region’s CPI by national CPI
5- multiply the number from (4) by the number from (3). If you took an hourly figure, that’s how much you should get per hour.
6- if (3) was an annual salary, then divide the number you get out of (5) by 2,000 to get an hourly rate (40 hours per week, 50 weeks a year ==> 2,000 hours).
You get the average salary figure your job should get in your region. These figures are based on both employee AND employer surveys, so the data is reasonably accurate for things based on human reporting.
Ask if you’ve got questions!
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